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today's protesters

Posted by profoundtruths on 2010.02.12 at 22:03

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blueberry
profoundtruths at 2010-02-13 06:53 (UTC) (Link)
See that's the thing - there were about 200 people there, and if I'm with a group of protesters and someones doing something not okay, I would tell them - that's not okay. The fact that clearly no one in the group felt that they could tell the other protesters "hey, y'know the kids aren't really our target audience" or "the kids don't really get this and yelling at them isn't really going to do much but make us look like a bunch of assholes if it gets up to youtube"

The fact that none of the protesters thought that wasn't okay is clearly a sign of a big problem. I've been at plenty of protests and I've organized protests and kids have always been sacrosanct - they don't usually choose to be where they are.

If a police officer had come along and pepper-hosed the kids, people wouldn't be defending the police doing that and saying, "it was just a rogue officer". Being disorganized isn't license to be a dick.
mrs. picky-pants
bloodykitty at 2010-02-13 07:33 (UTC) (Link)
I agree, though I don't care for the analogy.

Like it or not, a protest is going to be judged by the public based on the behaviour of the participants who are most sensational. If the purpose of your demonstration is to garner public support, it is wise to not just avoid backing problematic individuals, but to try to keep them in line.
tim
kumokasumi at 2010-02-13 19:20 (UTC) (Link)
If a police officer had come along and pepper-hosed the kids, people wouldn't be defending the police doing that and saying, "it was just a rogue officer". Being disorganized isn't license to be a dick.

Lots of police officers are dicks all the time. Macing people is actual, illegal violence, though. If some protesters had gassed your kids, this'd be a different conversation.

kids have always been sacrosanct - they don't usually choose to be where they are.
Eh, kids don't come to rallies. When you're attacking a symbol that's pandered to children, it seems inevitable that they'll experience some of the protest.
blueberry
profoundtruths at 2010-02-13 22:54 (UTC) (Link)
I used to take my kids to protests all the time - read what I wrote. If anyone I had ever been at a protest had done anything like that I would have called them on that and I would have made it clear that its not acceptable.

I found out from a mother today that another protester was screaming at the kindergarten teacher in front of all her students, "why are you teaching them this fucking bullshit, your a fucking idiot for doing this" and on and on.

One of my kids had nightmares last night after what they saw yesterday. So the idea that as long as the protesters don't physically attack the children they don't need to be held accountable to basic forms of humanity is bullshit.

And yes lot of cops are dicks all of the time and I fully agree with that, but the fact that the police shouldn't be held accountable for allowing that kind of behaviour to continue is the same as protesters not holding their own accountable to basic human values of respecting children.
tim
kumokasumi at 2010-02-13 23:10 (UTC) (Link)
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm pretty much agreeing with you, here. Yelling at someone isn't generally illegal, though; hitting or macing them generally is. I don't think that distinction is trivial or bullshit, but of course I still think it's pretty low to scream at a scared teacher in front of her scared kids.

Would a cop getting all up in that guy's face help? I'd almost be worried it'd just escalate things.
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